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Cardiff City 11-12 puma home football shirt

Cardiff City Football Club unveiled the 2011/12 home kit as supplied by Puma.

The kit this year adorns the Malaysia slogan, which will be carried on the front of shirt, along with smaller versions on the back of the shirt and the shorts.

They are also pleased to include the popular yellow and white stripes at the top of the shirt, while also presenting a classic looking kit.

The ties with Malaysia are by now well known to all, with the esteemed investors and board members now a major driving force in the progress of the club. The bond continues to strengthen between Cardiff City and MALAYSIA, be that with their links to the 1Malaysia campaign aiming for unity within diverse cultures in the country, along with ever improving football connections via the start of the 1Malaysia Cardiff City Grassroots Academy in Kuala Lumpur.

Cardiff City chief executive Gethin Jenkins spoke of the unique bond, saying, "The club had some very attractive shirt sponsorship options to link up with a number of commercial partners and brands in the UK and abroad, but after speaking with our investors and knowing the commitment from Vincent Tan and TG, we knew that the best way to highlight our affinity with Malaysia was to wear the message with pride on our kits this season.

"The bond between Cardiff City FC and Malaysia will be evident throughout the season, something that has already been fully embraced by our supporters over the last twelve months and more. We are all looking forward to maximizing this sponsorship and further sharing much between both countries over the coming season."
 

Thanks to Luke and Steff


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+38 # Harun 2011-06-18 00:57
We've seen this template alot now but this kit looks best.
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+4 # 2011-06-18 13:25
Quoting Harun:
We've seen this template alot now but this kit looks best.



"Cardiff City football club is owned by Malaysian"

That should be the sponsor appeared on the shirt, no?
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+16 # 2011-06-18 00:58
Puma uses the same frikin kits with different colours every time just look at tottenham's and south africa. there the exact same
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+7 # ChelseaBlueBoy 2011-06-18 13:58
Looks like something the Lidl staff would wear if you take away the logo's
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+14 # 2011-06-18 01:13
This template has been overused this season though this is by far the best example of said template. It's not just Puma who are overusing templates however, Nike are giving pretty much every lower league team the 'V' template for the coming season, I've literally seen it a million times in various colours.

The away will probably be the same but in yellow or black.
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+13 # 2011-06-18 01:16
This template is very, very, very, very repeated by puma
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-12 # 2011-06-18 01:49
Malingshit sponsor ? WTF !!!!!
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+9 # 2011-06-19 08:49
i don't see the word malingshit on the shirt do you?
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+5 # 2011-06-19 12:56
Quoting lalalalalala:
i don't see the word malingshit on the shirt do you?

malingshit is a mockery of the Indonesian against Malaysia
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+7 # 2011-06-19 12:58
Quoting Datuk:
Malingshit sponsor ? WTF !!!!!

calm, Indonesia had Dua Kelici in real madrid, although not the main
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+6 # 2011-06-21 16:32
and malaysia did sponsor man united years back, and now the fa, so what's the big deal? it's our jersey, it's not malaysian or indonesian.

bring your rivalry somewhere else.

anyway tbh the strip looks okay, although the sponsor did ruined it a bit. i mean cmon, a country name? our owner should put it their company name at least!

but the colour, is okay. even the sponsor looks okay with the colour silver and yellow. the design actually looks the best compared to other same templates tho..
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+3 # 2011-06-25 02:19
Don't bother them mate~ He's just bitter that the red half of Manchester didn't play at their stadium some years ago because they're a country full with chaos and no manner people..

instead we went to the neighbouring country; Malaysia, and we play with their national team, TWICE! what was they called again.. young tiger? They were quite good, quality young players..

and the Indonesians still butthurt until today. Cheers!
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+5 # 2011-06-18 02:50
Do they have the Welsh flag or St. Davids on there somewhere like in recent years?
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+4 # 2011-06-18 03:19
good shirt but bad sponser.
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-2 # 2011-06-19 08:50
and it is bad how?
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0 # 2011-09-01 09:06
i know it is bad sponsor......but we have to accept it.......
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-12 # 2011-06-18 03:23
Look at that guy face his is looks angry becuz of the sponser.l
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+21 # 2011-06-18 04:23
Looks good. Almost as nice as the Burnley kit. What's everyone's problem with Malaysia?
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+18 # 2011-06-18 05:03
just ignore those bitter indonesian! they're just envy with everything we've got,and Malaysia beat the crap out of them in the AFF Cup finals in december.hahaha
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-8 # 2011-06-18 05:33
Yes, you're right Ma-Lay-Ser. Indonesia lost 2-4 on aggregate.

But the most notable thing is Indonesia 5-0 victory over Harimau Malaya in the same tournament. And, don't you remember that malaysia begged Indonesia to win over Thailand so you country could go to semi-final?
Cmon, if Malay are better why they ranked 143 while Indonesia 130?
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+9 # 2011-06-18 06:18
Quoting Rajagombal:
Yes, you're right Ma-Lay-Ser. Indonesia lost 2-4 on aggregate.

But the most notable thing is Indonesia 5-0 victory over Harimau Malaya in the same tournament. And, don't you remember that malaysia begged Indonesia to win over Thailand so you country could go to semi-final?
Cmon, if Malay are better why they ranked 143 while Indonesia 130? :P


Hi sir,

Ironically, people will not see how you doing yesterday 5-0 (dont get so cranky over early winning), or FIFA ranks or whatsoever, what is matter is you dont get the cup in that tournament. face the truth
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-4 # 2011-06-18 10:53
Quoting xoxo:
Hi sir,

Ironically, people will not see how you doing yesterday 5-0 (dont get so cranky over early winning), or FIFA ranks or whatsoever, what is matter is you dont get the cup in that tournament. face the truth :sigh:


people will see alright and people will see their rank. who are you to represent people? dont you mean by the malaysian people only?
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+9 # 2011-06-19 08:24
What? a lower ranking country beat a higher ranking country in a big tournament? there must be a mistake somewhere in the official ranking.
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+10 # 2011-06-19 08:51
ranking doesn't show your true skill on the field and malaysia beat you the end
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+6 # 2011-06-20 05:00
i don't care what u want to say to harimau malaya...we are the champion of 2010 aff suzuki cup.we are lost in group stage to indonesial,but we win in 2 final match....ha ha ha.this july,3 BPL club,Liverpool,Arsenal,n Chelsea will came MALAYSIA.they don't want to came 'There'.
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0 # 2011-06-20 10:06
who care we will nail indon girl who live in malaysia with our 9 inch tools....hahahha
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-16 # 2011-06-18 05:03
this has to be our worst shirt ever....im embarrassed to support this club!!!
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-25 # 2011-06-18 05:03
this is totally shocking......why do i support a shit club?
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+18 # 2011-06-18 14:00
Quoting Cardifflad:
this is totally shocking......why do i support a shit club?

Quoting CCFC1927:
this has to be our worst shirt ever....im embarrassed to support this club!!!


A football club is more than a strip.
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+11 # RedForever 2011-06-18 05:34
I dig Swansea, I'm not a fan, but I enjoy using them in FIFA. Point is, I actually like this shirt, it's not over-designed, and it's really classy looking.
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+9 # 2011-06-18 14:01
Quoting RedForever:
I dig Swansea, I'm not a fan, but I enjoy using them in FIFA. Point is, I actually like this shirt, it's not over-designed, and it's really classy looking.


This is Cardiff, not Swansea!!??
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+2 # RedForever 2011-06-20 08:44
Quoting Jarkko:
This is Cardiff, not Swansea!!??

I know, I'm saying that even though I dig Swansea, the Cardiff shirt is nice. You know, cause the two teams don't get along.
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+9 # 2011-06-18 05:41
i actually think its really nice, it may be a template but it really fits
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-4 # 2011-06-18 05:56
i hope this is just one match kit! worst sponsor ever but credit for puma
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+10 # 2011-06-18 06:06
Worst sponsor ever? It's just a word. Look at West Brom's last season or the horrible orange monstrosities of Bolton or Wigan or that woeful Philadelphia Union sponsor.
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+2 # 2011-06-18 06:23
that's why cuih never be a shirt designer, he cant even get the comment right....
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+1 # 2011-06-19 08:52
actually i'm starting to ignore this type of nonsense comment
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-5 # 2011-06-18 06:08
Don't like this kit and I don't know why. It just looks kind of uncensoredy. Like something Chesterfield or Oldham would wear in the Wosname Painters and Decoratators Cup.
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-9 # 2011-06-18 06:08
Is being sponsored by a whole country the in thing for former championship playoff finalists? First, there was Sheffield United in 2008, subsequently sponsored by Malta (we all know what happened to them), now there are 2010 finalists Cardiff City being sponsored by a far eastern country that most people in wales would have thought was the new breed of Glamydygocholow's sheep.
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-16 # 2011-06-18 06:26
i dont even know where is wales anyway...
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+7 # 2011-06-18 06:10
Hang on, is that not exactly the same logo for Malaysia as they use for Jobsite on Portsmouth's kit
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-14 # 2011-06-18 06:34
That's why Indonesian call them "Malaysia". (Maling= Thief) they are stealing other's ideas.
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+3 # 2011-06-25 13:25
Malaysians didnt exactly design this jersey, and its not up to us to answer why they put our country's name there. Why are you even calling us thieves? We did nothing wrong. Pfft, losing against us then call us Maling, grow up will ya! Don't be a sore loser! And Thanks a lot to the owner of Cardiff City, we are very proud to have our country name on your jersey. Just so you know Cardiff City fans, we Malaysians, cheered for you guys in the play-offs. We wanted to see you guys in the premier league. Whatever it is! Hopefully the BLUEBIRDS FLYING HIGH while the fans busy DOING THE AYATOLLAH!
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+1 # 2011-06-18 06:43
What do Cardiff, Brentford, Colchester, Preston, Leyton Orient, Morecambe, Rotherham, Burnley, Dundee and Sheffield Wednesday all have in common? Probably more to come.
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-2 # 2011-06-18 07:15
Looks like a Portsmouth shirt!
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0 # 2011-06-18 07:39
??? with yellow?? dont think so
Smart kit all round. Better with the V neck than the collar versions............how did puma get Newcastle so wrong?
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-1 # 2011-06-18 18:57
??? what about 2004-5 ?? think so
Agree with everything else. And that is the jobsite logo, i'm sure
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+3 # 2011-06-18 07:42
Quoting jakenormancrew 11:
Puma uses the same frikin kits with different colours every time just look at tottenham's and south africa. there the exact same



No, the south africa Trikot is different and the Totttenham Kits are just white.
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-7 # 2011-06-18 07:44
Would look better if the yellow bits are red.
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+2 # 2011-06-18 10:17
without the stripes it will be perfect
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0 # 2011-06-18 10:39
This Puma template sure is popular this year.
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+7 # 2011-06-18 10:46
Very nice strip, and colours.

I don't know how many times it has been explained, but just because each Puma team seems to have a similar design this year, is that it's Puma's fault for being boring and lazy, because it's not them.

Each team gets presented 3-4 design choices, usually plain v/round neck, one with a collar, one with a jacquard print, then stripes/hoops depending on the club. It is ENTIRELY then up to the club which design they want to go with, obviously depending on cost, but the club can make their own choice of trim/cuff colours etc, which Puma will then take on board and design before being approved.
It's hardly Puma's fault if each club seems to be on the same page this year and all like the same design is it?

I realise that this strip has had the most positive comments so far regarding the design, but just had to get that off my chest.
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+3 # 2011-06-18 10:48
Prakash is for feeling shirt in Portsmouth is too similar.

However, good luck to Cardiff blubirds quest in this season

From Prakash
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+2 # 2011-06-18 10:58
It's........ nice?
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+4 # 2011-06-18 11:04
unoriginal but nice enough
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-14 # 2011-06-18 11:05
seriously the jersey will be perfect if only with out that sponser omg really ungly.
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+8 # 2011-06-19 08:56
you indonesian is making yourself look silly, if you don't have nice thing to say keep it to yourself
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-17 # 2011-06-18 11:22
OK kit, template is a bit of stale, color is acceptable, dude looks pretty sharp with his pearl white boots. Cardiff needs to get extra motivation from Swansea is competiting in EPL this year. Good luck!


BTW, what is Malaysia, some kind of new generation tape made by 3M?
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-14 # 2011-06-18 12:03
That is the worst sponsor i've ever seen on a football shirt
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-1 # 2011-06-18 18:59
Just look at the Baggies' kit history. And barf.
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-13 # 2011-06-18 12:07
ABSLOUTLY CRAP KIT! UTTER S**T
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-14 # 2011-06-18 12:20
Okay but nowhere near as good as the Adidas Swansea kit.
Why do the Jacks do everything so much better than us, they're in the EPL and we're not, they've got better players, a better manager, better run club, better fans and now they've got a better kit and better manufacturer....Grrrrr makes me so angry!!!!!
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+3 # 2011-06-18 12:34
Knot as good as hours Mush, hours is class. Got six on order already, soon as my giro is in they are mine mush. Me and Ceinwen, little Cian and the twins (Armani and Carbrini) and my father/brother BigTank are gonna reck the EPL vis year mush. Jack Army
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+1 # 2011-06-18 12:54
This template has been well and truely overused
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-3 # 2011-06-18 13:05
:-x
malaysia ? what they think?? why they are not embarrassed by their sponsor?
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0 # marino_st1 2011-06-18 13:14
well...always look on the bright side of life ...at least there is just one puma logo on the shirt x))
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+6 # 2011-06-18 13:16
lol at all the Swansea fans making fake Cardiff names and saying that Swansea are better, how pathetic.

Even after promotion you're still obsessed by us.
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+17 # 2011-06-18 13:20
Fantastic kit,fantastic team, fantastic sponsor and the idiots who say there embarrassed to support ccfc because of this are fools. Thanks Vincent Tan. And Dato Tan Ghee.
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-7 # 2011-06-18 13:31
Looks a bit snug, could be the reason why Chopra left, would have shown off his moobs.

Wish our kit was like Swansea's. Theirs is class to be fair, and they're in the Premier League unlike us who aren't.
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-6 # 2011-06-18 13:44
Nice kit but sponsor ruins it a bit!
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+2 # 2011-06-18 13:48
If the sponsor were Malaysia Air or something like that this would be a fine kit. It doesn't make sense. You can't have a countries name as the most dominant feature on a shirt, looks like a case of misrepresentation.
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+17 # 2011-06-18 13:51
Genuine Cardiff fan and I like this kit. McPhail probably isn't the best model for it Why the hate for the Malaysia sponsor? I kind of like being sponsored by a country, makes us seem bigger
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+1 # 2011-06-18 13:56
Yawn, same template as Burnley, PNE, Colchester and probably a good few more, but with a different collar. No imagination Puma. I know everyone moans about the Newcastle Puma home shirt this season, but compared to this bollocks, the barcodes have got it made.
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0 # 2011-06-18 13:57
I though the likes of adidas and nike were making ground in making a football shirt with a decent, athletic fit for us to wear out and about whilst still looking fairly stylish. There's nothings stylish about baggy sleeves. Puma take note.
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-14 # 2011-06-18 14:01
Why Welsh teams don't go playing Welsh league? I guess it is a money issue
Sincerely I prefer English teams in English leagues and Welsh teams in Welsh leagues

In addition,playing for their country both Cardiff & Swansea city would win the league, adding cups to their palmares.

At least some years ago, they played Welsh cup.
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+8 # 2011-06-18 14:28
Quoting kitfan:
Why Welsh teams don't go playing Welsh league? I guess it is a money issue
Sincerely I prefer English teams in English leagues and Welsh teams in Welsh leagues

In addition,playing for their country both Cardiff & Swansea city would win the league, adding cups to their palmares.

At least some years ago, they played Welsh cup. :sad:


We (the Welsh clubs - Cardiff, Swansea, Wrexham Newport [as well as Aberdare and Merthyr I believe]) were invited into the English leage system a century ago in order to make the leagues financially viable.

The "Welsh Leagues" as you put it, didn't exist until the late 80s/ early 90s, by which point Cardiff City had forced the English cup to be renamed the FA Cup by being the only team to take it out of England, and Swansea had recently spent a short time in the English first division.

Of course, there's no money whatsoever in the Welsh leagues but the reality is that we were relatively successful in the English leagues, and a change to the fledgling Welsh league would've sent us back into total obscurity and ruined football as a sport in Wales.

Many of the rugby supporting public in Wales inexplicably have an English club side that they follow, but this does mean that they turn up to see Cardiff/Swansea when we play a big English club side.

Both Cardiff and Swansea are now under the jurisdiction of the English FA although when Cardiff/Swansea are involved there will be a member of the FAW present.
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0 # 2011-06-18 15:45
com on puma !
u can do better than that !?
not too bad though, i like the collar
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+3 # 2011-06-18 15:54
So-so.

Amusing to see all the Jacks signing up with Cardiff names. Even with premiership football to look forward to you just can't get us out of your heads (Kylie Minogue inuendo intended).
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-10 # 2011-06-18 16:01
i love the kit but i'm gonna vomit because of the sponsor
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-8 # 2011-06-18 16:02
the new sponsor of the kit had totally ruined the whole kit
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0 # 2011-06-18 16:03
My butty and me tink it is well sick (gr8). Big up to all Bloobirds and the Malkay Mackay Possee! Listen Jax, we's cummin at you so watch u bax Jax.
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0 # 2011-06-18 16:07
I really like the clean lines on this shirt, last year's shirt was a bit too faffy with the collar (although I did buy one). I'd love to see them bring back the white and yellow vertical stripes circa 1978, I think that would have made it a bit more unique.
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+1 # 2011-06-18 16:39
I know it's a sponsor but this shirt would look great for the Malaysian national team, just replace the Cardiff crest.
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+2 # 2011-06-18 17:06
I Like this kit
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0 # 2011-06-18 18:20
Cardiff the capital city always get everything why can't Swansea be like them although we are in the premiership now I'm still envious of them it's not fair
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0 # 2011-06-18 18:31
not a bad kit, the blue is very striking
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-3 # 2011-06-18 19:06
Just nicked our manager, but I'm sure he'll do a good job for you. Got a lot of respect for Cardiff but this shirt sponsorship is a disaster. Says so much about what is wrong with football and the ownership of clubs. Just a joke, I wouldn't touch a shirt plastered with the name of another country with a bargepole. The owners have no respect for the fans. Lucky they don't have links with the English Tourist Board, I suppose.
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0 # 2011-06-18 19:58
I quite like this template. I think it works better with the other collar though.
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-5 # 2011-06-18 21:45
malaysia is dat the nxt league the welshies wont to play in coz their WPL sucks lol only jokin


the yellow line is crap should both b white lines imo
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+1 # 2011-06-18 22:07
:D :D :D :D :D When I first saw it I was wondering why a white guy was modeling Malaysia's National Team kit. Then I actually looked at the title.
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+2 # 2011-06-19 02:03
Congrats Cardiff, you're wearing a Puma template!
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+4 # 2011-06-19 05:48
nice shirt....love the sponsor logo...
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+1 # 2011-06-19 08:34
How much did MALAYSIA pay Cardiff City??
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+6 # 2011-06-19 08:47
what's wrong with the sponsor? whats with the immature comment regarding it? all of you are cardiff fans or not?
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+2 # 2011-06-19 09:02
Theres only one team in wales and its swansea city so censored you cardiff scum and enjoy getting relagated from the champioship
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0 # 2011-06-19 10:57
I REALLY LIKE IT IT MIGHT BE THE SAME TEMPLATE AS OTHER TEAMS BUT THATS PUMA FOR YOU WHATS BETTER THAN ADIDAS THAT PUMA TREAT EVERY CLUB THEY SPONSER THE SAME BRILL KIT WELSH AND PROUD
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0 # 2011-06-19 11:28
PLS don put malaysia... put my name NG YEN YEN
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-3 # 2011-06-19 12:17
haha what a shit kit
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0 # 2011-06-21 12:25
censored off
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+7 # 2011-06-19 13:34
Ass long Cardiff play well who care!!!

come on! be a true fan!!!

right now many Malaysian people are cheering and supporting Cardiff...!!! cheer!!! hopefully this kits will be sold in Malaysia!
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+5 # 2011-06-19 23:13
Good luck for next season, Cardiff City!
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+5 # 2011-06-20 05:55
INDON JEALOUS
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-4 # 2011-06-20 08:56
Quoting Sebeye:
INDON JEALOUS :D

Why are we jealous? We have Dua Kelinci for Real Madrid this year
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0 # 2011-08-01 17:04
Quoting ShutupMalingsia:
Why are we jealous? We have Dua Kelinci for Real Madrid this year :-*

wow thats great dua kelinci for real madrid,but what is that?I noticed malaysia company sponsored much more noticeable such as airasia on the bpl referee
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0 # Gazhorn 2011-06-20 08:05
I don't respect clubs who steal other club's managers. :-(

Kit is OK though, best of the much-used Puma template.
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+4 # 2011-06-20 09:17
One word, MALAYSIA RULES! :)
All you malaysian haters get out from this page, you guys are jealous because your country doesn't have your country's sponsor printed like that in european football clubs
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-8 # 2011-06-20 11:21
You Malaysian are just too censoredy. hope Cardiff won't be promoted to Premier League next season
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+5 # 2011-06-21 18:02
Low class mentality . Thats why they are always losers
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+2 # 2011-07-13 15:51
Quoting Nabel:
One word, MALAYSIA RULES! :)
All you malaysian haters get out from this page, you guys are jealous because your country doesn't have your country's sponsor printed like that in european football clubs

Yup, I agreed...
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+5 # 2011-06-20 15:03
well at lease we are very proud that malaysia is the main sponsor of cardiff city...do indonesian have???...jangan cakap je lebih...bla la indon
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+5 # 2011-06-20 16:08
What the problem with indonesia until some of you malaysian people put comment like shit.. , do you want to show your 3rd class mentality here, came on..please respect each other..
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-3 # 2011-06-21 04:57
The problem is, year ago Malaysia defeat Indonesia with laser in the AFF Suzuki Cup final and then Indonesia start to hate them in football and call them Malingshit (see Datuk comment). That's why some of Indonesian call this sponsor like a shit, but then some of you Malaysian just too overproud with this and start to mock our country. It just like Wales and England
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+6 # 2011-06-21 16:18
...does this have anything to do with our club jersey?

i mean c'mon to be fair malaysian air asia sponsored the fa, used to sponsored man utd, but why make such a fuss here?

bring your national rivalry somewhere else, don't mixed politics with football.
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+4 # 2011-06-21 17:56
Loser is always the loser . Indonesial is too poor to support others team . For example we can see through the rupiah . Hahahahahaha . I am pity with indonesial because they are begging for works in malaysia . Such a dog barking for a food . The reality is Malaysia is the AFF winner and indonesial is the loser . People are not talking about the 5-0 but they are talking about the Cup winner . There is no use talking 5-0 like a shit but didnot win the cup . Such a pity team (timnas INDONESIALAN) . Even the EPL team didnot want to friendly with indonesialan because of their mentality and poor football performances and of course the losers.
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+1 # 2011-06-20 21:27
I'm not only embarrassed to be a Cardiff fan!!!!!!!!! I'm embarrassed to be welsh!!! :(
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+1 # 2011-06-21 12:26
i like big ass
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+2 # 2011-06-21 18:44
i remember manchester united pull out the game in indonesia because indonesia is not safe at that time. instead they play in malaysia
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0 # 2011-08-11 22:45
Its because there was a bomb attack in the Hotel where I think it was where manchester united were going to stay.
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+2 # fcb1893 2011-06-22 06:45
The stripes are a nice touch.
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0 # 2011-06-24 20:26
nice kit, Cardiff the Capital city of Wales, Swansea mite be in the Premier League but Cardiff City are still the number one team in Wales.
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0 # 2011-06-26 03:22
I am thinkings the yellow on the shirts is being away kits.
But why?
Cardiff is good Championship club but with Scottish man at manager are they putting the ox before the cart?
I am thinkings very middle of the season despite heavy rains.
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+3 # 2011-06-27 11:46
so if i dont like the sponsor mean i'm indonesian?
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0 # 2011-07-13 15:47
Come on!!! It's just a sponsor man... Don't embarrass your own beloved country!!! Remember, the other people around the world are watchin us...
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0 # 2011-07-14 20:09
it would be nice with a swans badge and in white
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+1 # 2011-07-15 11:33
Ok, Im a Malaysian, and Im embarrassed to see such childish quarrel over the usage of the word 'Malaysia' on the shirt by both my fellow Malaysians and the Indonesians.
Yes, we can have different opinions but to make offensive remarks towards each others' country is very uncivilized.
I agree with micheal71 that the world is watching..

Anyway, I find it a bit weird to see a country name as a shirt sponsor, has it been done before?
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0 # 2011-08-11 22:40
Dear Cardiff Fans, Please do ignore the unnecessary and rude comments towards Malaysia. as you know these types of comments can only be by Indonesian fans that are selfish and jealous of Malaysia. The fact that we all know Malaysia is better then Indonesia. So PLEASE If you have a problem with us, argue somewhere else not here because they had nothing to do with this, this is between us not them. this is their club not yours.

I'm just happy to see Malaysia sponsoring Cardiff. Please visit Malaysia or Singapore! not Indonesia, don't get mixed up
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